A declining US superpower needs to rationalise its failures – glaring, monstrous crimes abroad, economic collapse at home – as a war against homegrown terrorists
You always find the very heart and core of the issues you write about. It is a grand talent that few have. That it can transcend country's borders into the very heart of their culture is amazing. With this piece I (being an American born (and no longer liking it)) can see the very glaring truth to every line written. You have completely identified the real problem and unfortunately the whole world has to suffer through this problem with the American people. America has been dumbed down through decades of propaganda and chemicals. I truly see no hope at all that the Zionist Nazi Terrorist Politicians will do anything but take the whole world down with them if they don't get their way. I am getting out of this country as soon as possible. I am old enough that perhaps I will not live to see the outcome of these vile creatures attack on sanity and the world and I hope to get somewhere peaceful to live out what remains of my life. I have thought about trying to fight on but I don't see that as an option any longer as these subhuman creatures are Criminally Insane and Mass Murdering Sociopaths!
De-weaponize cell towers; not only do they act as culprits for the microwave attacks and v2k(weaponized and targeted microwave induced sound) inflicted upon targeted individuals(those included in the Terrorist Screening Database, a Nazi-style kill list maintained by the U.S. intelligence agencies), they also emit subliminal messages that can induce maladaptive behavior as exhibited by today's shooters.
Israel is like a cancer trying to grow by destroying the surrounding entities. It must be stopped. A nation of Zionist Israel must never be allowed to exist.
Leading with a graph of criminal cases is pretty disingenuous. How many people were actually arrested or charged in all the riots? If we include all of that violence your premise turns a 180. I would expect more from you, this calls into question your body of work for me.
And look at what happened afterwards. If he had been black and assassinated by a white person or right winger the whole country would be on fire right now. Instead the only misbehaving was more leftists defacing monuments.
Keep digging though, you’ll convince the rational people that you’re right one of these days!
You are an obvious right wing nut job and full of shit. You obviously don't remember that the FBI and also local police infiltrated 99% of all peaceful riots and stoked violence. Those of us who pay attention to these things don't make excuses for our corrupt government who is our enemy not our government. I am not OK with The Zionist Nazi Terrorist State of Israel controlling our country nor killing Americans to maintain that control. Stop trying to make excuses FOR THE REAL TERRORIST!
I’m actually a liberal, just tired of being gaslit by people who believe violence is the answer. And yeah fuck Israel. And you’re making my point for me as far as the police infiltration goes. How can anyone claim anything from the crime “stats” when it’s all so manipulated. But back in the real world you’re gonna need to explain the utter lack of violence after the (fake?) assassination of Charlie Kirk. If right wingers are so violent why weren’t the police able to infiltrate them too and pop those vigils off like a good ole fashion BLM riot? People sat there and watched those retards deface memorials. Do you think that’s what would happen to me if I defaced a memorial for St George Floyd? FOH. And don’t tell me that the police in every liberal city are all right wingers, that’s total bullshit, look at the fake-ass shit they did with J6 and the Whitmer “kidnapping.”
You need to come with a better argument, this isn’t even close.
I was primarily referring to the chart Jonathan put up that you feel is somehow scewed? The percentage of right wingers committing gun violence is spot on. It is proven to be 40% done by actual right wing individuals. That's why I thought you were being unjustified in saying he has somehow come up with the wrong information.
I’m saying that the filter applied to that chart is suspect. “Political” gun violence data from law enforcement can’t possibly be trusted when law enforcement is hopelessly politicized and the author knows it. And the premise of the article is that right wingers are more violent. That’s so easily debunked with one’s own eyes that it looks like he’s just cherry picking a chart to create a narrative that’s ridiculous on its face. When I encounter that from an author I have read for 20 years on antiwar.com and Substack it’s a bit jarring.
Ok I have to agree with you on that for sure and sorry for accusing you of being a "Right Winger". I really like Johnathan's writting and get a bit blinded so your question rewards merit and I would like to know why he would use this bit but perhaps it was the quick and easy thing to access?
I will give him a pass and keep reading, it's frustrating but everyone makes mistakes and there is definitely a pull to play to one's base when publishing. Here's the Atlantic of all places admitting the scale of the exact opposite problem: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/charlie-kirk-left-wing-terrorism/684323/. This is getting out of hand. People need to start thinking about how this makes the whole left look if they want to continue to have a platform. It's just so hypocritical to accuse the right of stochastic violence for so long while the whole time doing the exact thing. That seems to be the only tactic left and it's not going well. Many have pointed out over the last decade that the tools of ideological suppression and conformance that the left was creating and cheering on were inevitably going to be used against them. Now these idiots are just giving the right an excuse to use them. All of this is abhorrent to a true liberal. It's especially painful to identify more with conservatives on many issues, the insane portion of the left has done this and I no longer identify with them on almost any issue they've gone so far off the deep end on so much. Cheering the death of someone who wanted to talk it out. Sure he was an asshole but contrast him with the voices on the other side and that's why I had to comment on this article in the first place. How the left gave away free speech as a political weapon is so retarded that it feels like it was purposefully orchestrated. How did so many people fall for this?
David Horowitz created Charlie Kirk. Horowitz just wound this guy up like a tin toy and set him loose on the university circuit. And Kirk, cynically or otherwise, warmly embraced Christian Zionism, which--come now--no person of sound mind could possibly believe. Fascist strongmen can succeed even without a stupid population. This Kirk phenomenon shows that Trump's dictatorship is probably unavoidable at this point.
A thoughtful and thorough analysis by Jonathan Cook. The comparison between Robinson and Kirk in respect to their mutual addiction to nihilism and hate is both emblematic and symptomatic of the present far from subterranean undercurrents in our American culture of chronic systemic violence.
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Additionally, the parallels here in America today, to Israel's now habitual presentation of every confession of their Zionist crimes as an accusation against "the other" are becoming very apparent; as the MAGA puppet masters reframe their own compulsion to violence (evident in the actual record of their words and actions) to represent that violence as though it were actually coming from their critics on the political left, where it is, in fact, largely absent.
Agreed, Dieter. A thoughtful and thorough analysis. The comparison between Robinson and Kirk in respect to their mutual addiction to nihilism and hate is both emblematic and symptomatic of the present far from subterranean undercurrents in our American culture of chronic systemic violence.
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Additionally, the parallels here in America today, to Israel's now habitual presentation of every confession of their Zionist crimes as an accusation against "the other" are becoming very apparent; as the MAGA puppet masters reframe their own compulsion to violence (evident in the actual record of their words and actions) to represent that violence as though it were actually coming from their critics on the political left, where it is, in fact, largely absent.
The arrest of Tyler Robinson for the (reported) murder of Charles Kirk could mean many things.
It could mean that Robinson is guilty as charged, that he is the innocent victim of an overly hasty police investigation or a malicious prosecution intended to divert from justice the true offender, that he has himself been a willing part of a plan to divert from justice a principal offender, or that no murder took place and the death of Charles Kirk was staged by malevolent forces.
Some of these suggestions appear fantastical to me. However I don't need to judge their credibility until all the evidence has been presented, and I am quite happy to wait a year or more for that evidence to arrive. I don't need to know right now whether Tyler Robinson killed Charles Kirk, so I don't need to speculate publicly, even though I might choose to do so privately.
To speculate publicly serves no good purpose, and is in fact harmful. Why? Because it would make me, and all those who associate with my line of thought on public affairs, appear to be cranks throwing around theories that as yet have no firm basis in fact. That would undermine my political credibility while achieving nothing positive. The small chance that in a year's time I might be able to say "I told you so" gives me no incentive at all to engage in such speculation because even if I hit the jackpot. "I told you so" actually carries no political weight. Politically, it is an admission of failure, more correctly expressed in the words "I knew the truth but failed to persuade others".
So do we need to talk about Tyler Robinson and Charles Kirk at all? Yes, unfortunately we do, because we have to respond to a right wing narrative around the alleged murder, which is being used to set the scene for a persecution of or even a pogrom against the political foes of those who supported Charles Kirk. We must "respond to the narrative". That is, for the sake of the argument we just accept the alleged facts of the right wing narrative and go on to point out the intrinsic flaws of that narrative. If we can do that successfully and if the alleged facts later prove to be wrong, then we have lost nothing.
This is what Jonathan has been doing here. He has been responding to the right wing narrative and pointing to its flaws. All those who weigh in with highly speculative claims are actually undermining his reasoned approach, and the credibility it brings to the left.
By all means speculate privately. By all means search out more evidence. By all means be ready to accept a major alteration in the accepted body of facts. But do that separately from the process employed by Jonathan of responding to and invalidating the right wing narrative.
Some of the author's analysis is quite good, and would apply whether this was a real or fraudulent event. Even basic research looking at the footage of the "shooting" points to the high probability of this being another phony fake show. This would also explain the numerous bizarre aspects of the ensuing narrative - from Patel's strange valhalla take and 33 hour "manhunt," to the bizarre over-the-shoulder video of the grieving widow higlighting her masonic ring, to the confirmed AI-generated eulogy by Trump, to the bloodless carry out to the SUV (and no ambulance onsite), to the impossible narrative regarding the supposed shooter's behavior, to the idiotic emails to his "boyfriend," to a plane taking off 20 minutes later with its transponder off, etc. But what woke me up first was the OBVIOUS SQUIB in the shirt and other anomalies of the supposed shooting.
One obvious thing that has been bothering me is that the supposed shooter of Kirk was on a nearby rooftop. Isn't that the exact same scenario as when Trump was shot? Given that precedent didn't anyone check the roofs nearby? If I had been in charge of security that day that would have been one of the first places I would check. Why didn't that happen?
On the British protests, the people taking part weren't all white nationalist & weren't all Tommy Robinson supporters. It wasn't a left wing or right wing protest. It was a protest at against all of the British ruling classes. As for Tommy Robinson he's yet another Zionist supported shill. A populist, it's telling the most right wing political group Reform in the UK won't have anything to do with him. By the way the protest was attended by citizens of all colours. Britain is nothing like the US i, when it comes to skin colour. It's not emphasised at all, you're either British or you're not. Regardless of the colour of skin. We find the phrase African American as very racist. Applied to American citizens who have never set foot in Africa, we find it totally ridiculous. There's no such thing as an Anglo African in Britain. You're not a white nationalist, if you're upset at your own Government, not prosecuting Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs. Taking advantage of under age girls from disfunctional backgrounds. It's called common sense in most societies to be angry about that. Especially when today's PM was the public prosecutor at the time.
"...Britain is nothing like the US i, when it comes to skin colour. It's not emphasised at all, you're either British or you're not. Regardless of the colour of skin...."
This is utter nonsense. The "US" is in fact a former colony of Britain, to which Britons trafficed and sold millions of kidnapped Africans, after declaring them to be savages and thus by dehumanising them, open to slavery by being "black". So that plantation nation, is a British colonial creation.
The mess going on in the plantation nation right now, we must give Britain the discredit for having birthed.
As for modern day Britain it shows every trait of being the nation that at one point, had colonized and enslaved in place about half of Africa.
And let's not forget the Windrush scandal, in which Britain showed how it actually feels about anyone "black" - specifically it feels they are not British, even if those people never knew another country in their adult life:
Just about everything you've mentioned, I bet you weren't even born when those thing happened. It's called progress. It's the reason me & you can have a conversation as equals as it should be
Do you remember what my original comment was about? It was how racist the US is compared to Britain. You haven't gave a single example of how that comment is wrong. Instead you talk of stuff that happened in the past. Not currently. You accuse Britain of being racist today but give no examples. You do realise in a face to face debate. You'd be laughed out of the building it was held in with me. Accusations mean nothing without proof. I can quite easily give as many proofs as you could ever give me of people being racist against British citizens. You clearly have some misguided grudge but can't back it up with anything of worth. My original comment stated facts about the current day. You have produced nothing whatsoever to back anything up of what you're saying today. Do you want me to show you proof of African upon African genocide of the times in history you quoted? Or didn't that happen?
'They've' created a right-wing white western martyr for the Western 'patriots'. This continues their massive swing to the right that began with pushing gender ideology, followed by the 'covid' measures, suppression of speech and the lies about immigration.
Whoever actually killed CK, it doesn't matter. They (the white western patriarchy) have pushed (white western citizens) further right and done it well.
Yes. It's interesting to reflect on just how 'caucasian' the problematic is. It's possible that it'll turn out to be only partially as catastrophic as it appears. although that's an imaginative stretch, given the 'white' amassing of anti-life power.
Yesterday's Grayzone interview did show zionists being now on the run at last, based on its insane leader's blubber about Kirk - who of course may be alive for all we know. But it's all just suicide stuff. The psychology of suicide needs to be explored. Anyone here well-versed in such?
Charlie Kirk dared criticise Israel & is on record saying he feared assassination by Mossad. Incidentally, going back to 1967, Post Master General Tony Benn stripped anyone involved in broadcasting pirate radio of their passports.
1984 has become a meme. If you’re awake you will read it again.❤️
You always find the very heart and core of the issues you write about. It is a grand talent that few have. That it can transcend country's borders into the very heart of their culture is amazing. With this piece I (being an American born (and no longer liking it)) can see the very glaring truth to every line written. You have completely identified the real problem and unfortunately the whole world has to suffer through this problem with the American people. America has been dumbed down through decades of propaganda and chemicals. I truly see no hope at all that the Zionist Nazi Terrorist Politicians will do anything but take the whole world down with them if they don't get their way. I am getting out of this country as soon as possible. I am old enough that perhaps I will not live to see the outcome of these vile creatures attack on sanity and the world and I hope to get somewhere peaceful to live out what remains of my life. I have thought about trying to fight on but I don't see that as an option any longer as these subhuman creatures are Criminally Insane and Mass Murdering Sociopaths!
Well put.
De-weaponize cell towers; not only do they act as culprits for the microwave attacks and v2k(weaponized and targeted microwave induced sound) inflicted upon targeted individuals(those included in the Terrorist Screening Database, a Nazi-style kill list maintained by the U.S. intelligence agencies), they also emit subliminal messages that can induce maladaptive behavior as exhibited by today's shooters.
Israel is like a cancer trying to grow by destroying the surrounding entities. It must be stopped. A nation of Zionist Israel must never be allowed to exist.
Leading with a graph of criminal cases is pretty disingenuous. How many people were actually arrested or charged in all the riots? If we include all of that violence your premise turns a 180. I would expect more from you, this calls into question your body of work for me.
And look at what happened afterwards. If he had been black and assassinated by a white person or right winger the whole country would be on fire right now. Instead the only misbehaving was more leftists defacing monuments.
Keep digging though, you’ll convince the rational people that you’re right one of these days!
You are an obvious right wing nut job and full of shit. You obviously don't remember that the FBI and also local police infiltrated 99% of all peaceful riots and stoked violence. Those of us who pay attention to these things don't make excuses for our corrupt government who is our enemy not our government. I am not OK with The Zionist Nazi Terrorist State of Israel controlling our country nor killing Americans to maintain that control. Stop trying to make excuses FOR THE REAL TERRORIST!
I’m actually a liberal, just tired of being gaslit by people who believe violence is the answer. And yeah fuck Israel. And you’re making my point for me as far as the police infiltration goes. How can anyone claim anything from the crime “stats” when it’s all so manipulated. But back in the real world you’re gonna need to explain the utter lack of violence after the (fake?) assassination of Charlie Kirk. If right wingers are so violent why weren’t the police able to infiltrate them too and pop those vigils off like a good ole fashion BLM riot? People sat there and watched those retards deface memorials. Do you think that’s what would happen to me if I defaced a memorial for St George Floyd? FOH. And don’t tell me that the police in every liberal city are all right wingers, that’s total bullshit, look at the fake-ass shit they did with J6 and the Whitmer “kidnapping.”
You need to come with a better argument, this isn’t even close.
I was primarily referring to the chart Jonathan put up that you feel is somehow scewed? The percentage of right wingers committing gun violence is spot on. It is proven to be 40% done by actual right wing individuals. That's why I thought you were being unjustified in saying he has somehow come up with the wrong information.
I’m saying that the filter applied to that chart is suspect. “Political” gun violence data from law enforcement can’t possibly be trusted when law enforcement is hopelessly politicized and the author knows it. And the premise of the article is that right wingers are more violent. That’s so easily debunked with one’s own eyes that it looks like he’s just cherry picking a chart to create a narrative that’s ridiculous on its face. When I encounter that from an author I have read for 20 years on antiwar.com and Substack it’s a bit jarring.
Ok I have to agree with you on that for sure and sorry for accusing you of being a "Right Winger". I really like Johnathan's writting and get a bit blinded so your question rewards merit and I would like to know why he would use this bit but perhaps it was the quick and easy thing to access?
I will give him a pass and keep reading, it's frustrating but everyone makes mistakes and there is definitely a pull to play to one's base when publishing. Here's the Atlantic of all places admitting the scale of the exact opposite problem: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/charlie-kirk-left-wing-terrorism/684323/. This is getting out of hand. People need to start thinking about how this makes the whole left look if they want to continue to have a platform. It's just so hypocritical to accuse the right of stochastic violence for so long while the whole time doing the exact thing. That seems to be the only tactic left and it's not going well. Many have pointed out over the last decade that the tools of ideological suppression and conformance that the left was creating and cheering on were inevitably going to be used against them. Now these idiots are just giving the right an excuse to use them. All of this is abhorrent to a true liberal. It's especially painful to identify more with conservatives on many issues, the insane portion of the left has done this and I no longer identify with them on almost any issue they've gone so far off the deep end on so much. Cheering the death of someone who wanted to talk it out. Sure he was an asshole but contrast him with the voices on the other side and that's why I had to comment on this article in the first place. How the left gave away free speech as a political weapon is so retarded that it feels like it was purposefully orchestrated. How did so many people fall for this?
David Horowitz created Charlie Kirk. Horowitz just wound this guy up like a tin toy and set him loose on the university circuit. And Kirk, cynically or otherwise, warmly embraced Christian Zionism, which--come now--no person of sound mind could possibly believe. Fascist strongmen can succeed even without a stupid population. This Kirk phenomenon shows that Trump's dictatorship is probably unavoidable at this point.
Kirk was in the process of distancing himself from Zionism. Coincidence?
There is no “transgender community”.
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A thoughtful and thorough analysis by Jonathan Cook. The comparison between Robinson and Kirk in respect to their mutual addiction to nihilism and hate is both emblematic and symptomatic of the present far from subterranean undercurrents in our American culture of chronic systemic violence.
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Additionally, the parallels here in America today, to Israel's now habitual presentation of every confession of their Zionist crimes as an accusation against "the other" are becoming very apparent; as the MAGA puppet masters reframe their own compulsion to violence (evident in the actual record of their words and actions) to represent that violence as though it were actually coming from their critics on the political left, where it is, in fact, largely absent.
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Once again, every accusation is a confession.
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Spot On!
Charlie Kirk Psyop
https://open.substack.com/pub/mellowkat/p/real-or-fake-charlie-kirk-shot-in?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Mellowkat
https://open.substack.com/pub/gemmaodoherty/p/is-the-charlie-kirk-video-legit?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Gemma o doherty
https://rumble.com/v6ysuki-dont-be-fooled-they-killed-the-character-charlie-kirk-but-the-actors-still-.html a call for an uprising
https://open.substack.com/pub/healthranger/p/allegations-about-fbi-evidence-in?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios mike Adam’s analysis
https://youtu.be/WlvBuz8DGX4?si=X2WcATXSOwNRohsM analysis
https://youtu.be/iVo8dePT6JE?si=T1yUhxZL_8Ms6Pcm Freemasonic shitshow
https://open.substack.com/pub/gemmaodoherty/p/erika-kirk-a-new-low-for-crisis-acting?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Charlie’s wife giggles , she’s so grief stricken
https://open.substack.com/pub/gemmaodoherty/p/charlie-kirks-wife-bids-farewell?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Check out Mr E’s analysis
https://x.com/morganc000/status/1966845690459381841?s=46
Wax dummy
https://open.substack.com/pub/miri/p/his-story-her-story-and-the-truth?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Analysis
https://substack.com/@ggtvstreams/note/c-155326918?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action sniper signals
https://rumble.com/v6yxdmu-dustin-nemos-ryan-veli-volttear-victor-hugo-analyze-sgt-report-charlie-kirk.html
Dustin Nemos analysis
https://open.substack.com/pub/miri/p/charlie-kirk-turning-point-or-tv?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Miri
https://open.substack.com/pub/theparalleluniverse/p/another-fake-assassination-in-a-land?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Explanation part one
https://open.substack.com/pub/theparalleluniverse/p/another-fake-assassination-in-a-land-39e?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Part two
https://open.substack.com/pub/gemmaodoherty/p/charlie-kirk-the-movie-competes-with?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Gemma O Doherty
https://open.substack.com/pub/delingpole/p/charlie-kirk-this-time-it-still-isnt?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
James Delingpole
https://youtu.be/S4Zw9RPX1cQ?si=uDq39o4VXZ4vH4H9
Kissing a dummy
https://open.substack.com/pub/anthonycolpo/p/the-charlie-kirk-shooting-brought?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Funding and that 33 number
https://open.substack.com/pub/rickyrants/p/no-one-killed-charlie-kirk?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
All theatre
https://rumble.com/v6yzb66-crisis-kirk-charlie-kirks-assassination-psyop-brings-us-one-of-the-worst-cr.html crisis actor
https://youtu.be/N0G4EjxXFYw?si=tao0jVw9hFhZkqQ_ crisis actor
https://youtu.be/ratTauoGdMM?si=Ku1AC5vIxVHo45wc crisis actors
https://open.substack.com/pub/morganc000/p/the-manufactured-martyrdom-of-charlie?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Manufactured martyrdom
https://open.substack.com/pub/anthonycolpo/p/the-charlie-kirk-psy-op-more-ridiculous?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Final nails in coffin of official story
https://open.substack.com/pub/anthonycolpo/p/detailed-analysis-of-charlie-kirk?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Anthony Colpo , MR E
https://substack.com/@ggtvstreams/note/c-157632276?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
Catherine Austin Fitts
https://open.substack.com/pub/councilestatemedia/p/we-have-further-evidence-of-a-charlie?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
Crime scene clean up
https://open.substack.com/pub/councilestatemedia/p/the-tyler-robinson-story-has-completely?r=p0j6x&utm_medium=ios
FBI - laughable nonsense
Once again, thank you. You are the best Cook I've ever come across.
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Agreed, Dieter. A thoughtful and thorough analysis. The comparison between Robinson and Kirk in respect to their mutual addiction to nihilism and hate is both emblematic and symptomatic of the present far from subterranean undercurrents in our American culture of chronic systemic violence.
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Additionally, the parallels here in America today, to Israel's now habitual presentation of every confession of their Zionist crimes as an accusation against "the other" are becoming very apparent; as the MAGA puppet masters reframe their own compulsion to violence (evident in the actual record of their words and actions) to represent that violence as though it were actually coming from their critics on the political left, where it is, in fact, largely absent.
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Once again, every accusation is a confession.
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The arrest of Tyler Robinson for the (reported) murder of Charles Kirk could mean many things.
It could mean that Robinson is guilty as charged, that he is the innocent victim of an overly hasty police investigation or a malicious prosecution intended to divert from justice the true offender, that he has himself been a willing part of a plan to divert from justice a principal offender, or that no murder took place and the death of Charles Kirk was staged by malevolent forces.
Some of these suggestions appear fantastical to me. However I don't need to judge their credibility until all the evidence has been presented, and I am quite happy to wait a year or more for that evidence to arrive. I don't need to know right now whether Tyler Robinson killed Charles Kirk, so I don't need to speculate publicly, even though I might choose to do so privately.
To speculate publicly serves no good purpose, and is in fact harmful. Why? Because it would make me, and all those who associate with my line of thought on public affairs, appear to be cranks throwing around theories that as yet have no firm basis in fact. That would undermine my political credibility while achieving nothing positive. The small chance that in a year's time I might be able to say "I told you so" gives me no incentive at all to engage in such speculation because even if I hit the jackpot. "I told you so" actually carries no political weight. Politically, it is an admission of failure, more correctly expressed in the words "I knew the truth but failed to persuade others".
So do we need to talk about Tyler Robinson and Charles Kirk at all? Yes, unfortunately we do, because we have to respond to a right wing narrative around the alleged murder, which is being used to set the scene for a persecution of or even a pogrom against the political foes of those who supported Charles Kirk. We must "respond to the narrative". That is, for the sake of the argument we just accept the alleged facts of the right wing narrative and go on to point out the intrinsic flaws of that narrative. If we can do that successfully and if the alleged facts later prove to be wrong, then we have lost nothing.
This is what Jonathan has been doing here. He has been responding to the right wing narrative and pointing to its flaws. All those who weigh in with highly speculative claims are actually undermining his reasoned approach, and the credibility it brings to the left.
By all means speculate privately. By all means search out more evidence. By all means be ready to accept a major alteration in the accepted body of facts. But do that separately from the process employed by Jonathan of responding to and invalidating the right wing narrative.
Some of the author's analysis is quite good, and would apply whether this was a real or fraudulent event. Even basic research looking at the footage of the "shooting" points to the high probability of this being another phony fake show. This would also explain the numerous bizarre aspects of the ensuing narrative - from Patel's strange valhalla take and 33 hour "manhunt," to the bizarre over-the-shoulder video of the grieving widow higlighting her masonic ring, to the confirmed AI-generated eulogy by Trump, to the bloodless carry out to the SUV (and no ambulance onsite), to the impossible narrative regarding the supposed shooter's behavior, to the idiotic emails to his "boyfriend," to a plane taking off 20 minutes later with its transponder off, etc. But what woke me up first was the OBVIOUS SQUIB in the shirt and other anomalies of the supposed shooting.
One obvious thing that has been bothering me is that the supposed shooter of Kirk was on a nearby rooftop. Isn't that the exact same scenario as when Trump was shot? Given that precedent didn't anyone check the roofs nearby? If I had been in charge of security that day that would have been one of the first places I would check. Why didn't that happen?
On the British protests, the people taking part weren't all white nationalist & weren't all Tommy Robinson supporters. It wasn't a left wing or right wing protest. It was a protest at against all of the British ruling classes. As for Tommy Robinson he's yet another Zionist supported shill. A populist, it's telling the most right wing political group Reform in the UK won't have anything to do with him. By the way the protest was attended by citizens of all colours. Britain is nothing like the US i, when it comes to skin colour. It's not emphasised at all, you're either British or you're not. Regardless of the colour of skin. We find the phrase African American as very racist. Applied to American citizens who have never set foot in Africa, we find it totally ridiculous. There's no such thing as an Anglo African in Britain. You're not a white nationalist, if you're upset at your own Government, not prosecuting Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs. Taking advantage of under age girls from disfunctional backgrounds. It's called common sense in most societies to be angry about that. Especially when today's PM was the public prosecutor at the time.
"...Britain is nothing like the US i, when it comes to skin colour. It's not emphasised at all, you're either British or you're not. Regardless of the colour of skin...."
This is utter nonsense. The "US" is in fact a former colony of Britain, to which Britons trafficed and sold millions of kidnapped Africans, after declaring them to be savages and thus by dehumanising them, open to slavery by being "black". So that plantation nation, is a British colonial creation.
The mess going on in the plantation nation right now, we must give Britain the discredit for having birthed.
As for modern day Britain it shows every trait of being the nation that at one point, had colonized and enslaved in place about half of Africa.
And let's not forget the Windrush scandal, in which Britain showed how it actually feels about anyone "black" - specifically it feels they are not British, even if those people never knew another country in their adult life:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal
Just about everything you've mentioned, I bet you weren't even born when those thing happened. It's called progress. It's the reason me & you can have a conversation as equals as it should be
"Progress"? In some alternate reality. In fact racism goes on every day in Britain, most of it rooted in Britain´s colonial legacy.
I dont know who you are, and you dont know who am. Nor is the dicussion about you or me. It is about the system racism that pervades Britain.
Do you remember what my original comment was about? It was how racist the US is compared to Britain. You haven't gave a single example of how that comment is wrong. Instead you talk of stuff that happened in the past. Not currently. You accuse Britain of being racist today but give no examples. You do realise in a face to face debate. You'd be laughed out of the building it was held in with me. Accusations mean nothing without proof. I can quite easily give as many proofs as you could ever give me of people being racist against British citizens. You clearly have some misguided grudge but can't back it up with anything of worth. My original comment stated facts about the current day. You have produced nothing whatsoever to back anything up of what you're saying today. Do you want me to show you proof of African upon African genocide of the times in history you quoted? Or didn't that happen?
Claiming that Britain today isnt racist is laughable. And elementary. So I will not indulge you any further.
'They've' created a right-wing white western martyr for the Western 'patriots'. This continues their massive swing to the right that began with pushing gender ideology, followed by the 'covid' measures, suppression of speech and the lies about immigration.
Whoever actually killed CK, it doesn't matter. They (the white western patriarchy) have pushed (white western citizens) further right and done it well.
Yes. It's interesting to reflect on just how 'caucasian' the problematic is. It's possible that it'll turn out to be only partially as catastrophic as it appears. although that's an imaginative stretch, given the 'white' amassing of anti-life power.
Yesterday's Grayzone interview did show zionists being now on the run at last, based on its insane leader's blubber about Kirk - who of course may be alive for all we know. But it's all just suicide stuff. The psychology of suicide needs to be explored. Anyone here well-versed in such?
Charlie Kirk dared criticise Israel & is on record saying he feared assassination by Mossad. Incidentally, going back to 1967, Post Master General Tony Benn stripped anyone involved in broadcasting pirate radio of their passports.