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Janice J's avatar

“Bring home the bodies of those k. lled by Hms”??? How many were the result of IOF actions? Most if not all.

Neve O's avatar

I knew about evil of course but until this genocide I had not witnessed the true evil that humans are capable of..its hard to believe Palestinian people have been forced to live and die like this for so long and still be beautiful people.

Frank Sterle Jr.'s avatar

Many Palestinians, including children, have been (over the many decades since the creation of Israel) held, if not brutalized, in Israeli detention centers or jails without being charged for long periods of time, even many years. Most of them eventually get released, albeit many of those as part of a trade or human exchange by the Israeli state. To me that sounds a bit like ‘hostage’ treatment. And it’s much easier for a conscience to do when one considers another an innately lower lifeform who also (superficially) looks different from you.

Also, I've long wondered how many Gazan non-combatants would have been slaughtered by the Israel Defense Forces had Hamas unconditionally released the Israeli hostages as Western politicians/governments and news-media almost-immediately demanded?

And then there are the transfers of weapons to Hamas militants “facilitated” by the IDF, according to former IDF soldier Benzi Sanders. [Former IDF soldier Benzi Sanders was deployed into Gaza in 2014. He tells CNN's Christiane Amanpour it's a "catastrophic mistake" to believe military power against Hamas will bring safety to Israel: November 6, 2023 / Video / Amanpour & Company, PBS]

… All around, people can be and are being perceived and treated as though they are literally disposable and, by extension, their great suffering and numerous deaths are somehow less worthy of external concern, sometimes even by otherwise democratic, relatively civilized and supposedly Christian nations.

A somewhat similar reprehensible inhuman(e) devaluation is observable in external attitudes, albeit perhaps on a subconscious level, toward the daily civilian lives lost in prolongedly devastating war zones (i.e. for 10+ years) and famine-stricken regions. In other words, the worth of such life will be measured by its overabundance and/or the protracted conditions under which it suffers; and those people can eventually receive meagre column inches on the back page of the First World’s daily news.

It clearly is an immoral consideration of ‘quality’ of life or people, yet it’s much easier for a conscience to do when one considers another an innately lower lifeform who also (superficially) looks different from you.

When it comes to immense yet preventable daily sufferings and death tolls internationally, with each news report I feel a slightly greater desensitization and resignation. I’ve noticed this disturbing effect with basically all famines and major protracted conflicts globally since I began regularly consuming news products in the late 1980s.

Neve O's avatar

I too wondered why Hamas did not give back the hostages ( if there were any taken by Hamas ie Israel words are akways lies) and I recently discovered that Hamas offered to return the hostages early on after Oct 7th but Israel refused ie it was never about getting hostage back given that for 2yrs Israel has carpet-bombed Gaza killing Gazans & hostages deliberatel it seems. MSM repeat Istarls lies as fact so the world has blamed Hamas for decades when IDF to blame.

Janice J's avatar

You say “I've long wondered how many Gazan non-combatants would have been slaughtered by the Israel Defense Forces had Hamas unconditionally released the Israeli hostages as Western politicians/governments and news-media almost-immediately demanded?”.

We all know that the GCDE would have continued at a slower pace until Iz provoked another uprising, this time out of the attention of the media.

Remember that around 10,000 people were killed in first few weeks. No resistance force could just ignore that. Also, how on earth could Hms give up the only leverage they had. They did not expect Iz to go full on crazy despite what media say they should have known.

The point of taking ‘hostages’ (POWs) was to facilitate an exchange with those in Iz prisons. After 10,000 k.lled how could they leave their people to be even more abused in the Iz dungeons.

Davina's avatar

The Hamas leaders admitted they made a mistake in not realising how far Israel would go in their willingness to use that small attack, to go bat-shit. It was planned because Netanyahu needed something to keep him out of prison.

1. They were told by several sources that Hamas with others were planning an atrack: they ignored it.

2. The "Rave" was allowed to go for an extra day, that had never been allowed before.

3. The "Rave" took place in a kibbutz too close to the border, which was only separated by a wire fence -- speaks volumes.

4. The military were removed from the border - never happened before.

5. The took 4 to 5 hours to answer the calls for help, when they could have been at the border in one.

6. They ordered helicopter pilots to fire on their own people, to make it look worse for Hamas.

7. There were no rapes of women by Hamas, nor beheaded babies, and definitely not cooked in a microwave. Muslims follow their faith and are not to touch a female who is not a family member with bare hands, they certainly would never rape one.

8. The helicopter pilots were further ordered to fire on cars in the vicinity, something impossible for fleeing Hamas to have managed while they escaped with hostages and POWs on bikes and small jeeps.

9. We know now that Hamas actually protected their hostages from being killed by their own military, as some have attested to.

10. When israel specifies what Hamas was supposed to have done, it is an actual confession of what Israelis have done, and still do.

Erica Paul's avatar

A Palestinian father lifted his boys on a crate to avoid the barbed wire fence. The American soldier was told to put boys back. Amir, one of the boys, stepped forward, was given a small sack of lentils. He kissed the soldier's hand. Amir turned to go and was shot in the back. The soldier quit and returned to the US.

He told us the true story.

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

I want peace and non violence, but hope the Houthi's visit the World Zionist gathering Happening Now in the Zionist State. Is that bad to say? I support Palestine World Action Against Genocide and War Crimes.

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

One State Palestine

Andrew Brel's avatar

Zionist Starmer is openly supporting starvation mass baby genocide. Why is he not in jail.

Neve O's avatar

Many workd leaders support Israel and ate criminals but no matter how many millions a year politicians kill - especially US, no one is blamed or punished. These US, UK, Israel Zionist criminals are destroying the world and are keen to start WW3 clearly. War makes trillions on profit and depopulates millions ieva win win for the psychopath governments ( who are puppets of Rothschilds, Rockefelkers, Vatican)

Judith Stephenson's avatar

Starmer should move to Israel. He is be the PM here in the UK

Sylvia Crowe's avatar

Starmer is a massive disgrace supporting the genocide in Gaza his lack of compassion and collusion is shameful

Chuck Nasmith's avatar

The U.S.A. Govt. D and R's are Hasbara. Vote? Shut it down. BDS. The World is watching. I am tired of watching. Help Wanted.