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Feral Finster's avatar

Of course the US did it. The idea that a bunch of Ukrainians would slip unnoticed underneath the nose of the Fleet and NATO and blow up two pipelines in the middle of the most surveilled waters on the planet using specialized diving equipment and nobody knew who did it for months is simply absurd. If they told us that Mickey Mouse did it with the help of space aliens and a flying saucer, that would be about as plausible.

For that matter, the fact that the MSM is not running daily bombshell exposes on Russia's Most Dastardliest Deed Yet ZOMG is evidence enough.

The question is - what will anyone do about it? Even when an educated class European is forced to admit that yes, the United States did it, yes, the the United States at a minimum committed an act of war on Germany, but they just stare at their shoes and mumble something about how they must deserve it. Bad slaves deserve their beatings, see.

Less self-respect than a whipped dog.

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Henrik Nordborg's avatar

Thanks for starting this discussion, Jonathan. This is indeed an interesting story, where the media seems to be “muddying the waters” rather than discovering the truth. My summerhouse is not that far from the location of the explosions, and I have a neighbor who used to be a diving instructor for the Swedish navy. Here are some interesting points:

1. Diving down to 70-90 meters (210 to 270) requires special equipment. You are not supposed to do that with compressed air. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_diving

2. The visibility in the Baltic Sea is essentially zero. You do not dive down with a flashlight to look for the pipelines. You need to know exactly where they are.

3. The initial Swedish and Danish reports concluded that hundreds of kilograms of TNT had been used. This assessment was based on seismic measurements. An article in Scientific American estimates that the explosions corresponded to 500 kg TNT each (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nord-stream-pipeline-blasts-stirred-up-toxic-sediment).

4. I also find it surprising that somebody could simply drive hundreds of kilograms of explosives to Rostock and load it onto a yacht.

5. The waters around Bornholm are carefully monitored by the Swedish and the Danish navy. No sailing yacht will be able to stay in that area for hours without being detected.

6. Russia has been calling for a UN investigation of the incident: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-22/russia-clashes-with-west-over-nord-stream-investigation/102011038

It is obvious that both the Danish and Swedish authorities know a lot more than they are prepared to tell. Somebody is lying and the press seems only moderately interested in finding out who it is.

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