Replying to Steve Osram, so you think that the BBC reporting is true and honest? Does this include the absolute pack of lies they repeated in following the governments lies about Covid19, the "lockdowns" and the so called cure in a needle that was forced upon the general public? Personally, I would not believe it if the BBC said it was going to go dark before morning.
nBC is just paid off. This is not spectacular news. It’s the way.Ali is a Muslim who had to plug Israel’s democracy. He came to a panel and I had to put up my hand to shut him up. But he gets a kitchen remodeled and maybe a sad wife that might fuck him once a month. That’s what you get. And a vacation to “broaden your horizons”. So much for that stupid theory. But thinking it cannot be changed is also untrue. Vietnam stopped not because of any morality —west never had any. That’s how it was formed. It’s was the hippies and 🪧 protesters.
Dear Jonathan, as you so eloquently pointed out Israel's army is an aggressive occupation force over and above any defensive action. Shouldn't we be referring to the Israeli Occupation Force IOF rather than IDF?
This is one of the most devastating pieces of journalism I have ever listened to. What makes it so devastating is that it confirms my worst fears. That fear is that I can and will absorb this news and feel in my core the revulsion, the horror, and sickening sense that there is nothing that I can do about it. The abyss sees right through me.
I listen to many sources of news including the BBC and I do not hear what you are saying. I hear critical, measured reporting,complaints about the lack of independent verification, deriding Israel for refusing to allow international journalism into Gaza, and frequently calling out the propaganda sent out by Israel, the failure of politicians to act decisively against Israel's military crimes, and freely, fairly, without influence from wealthy owners reporting the truth as best they can. The BBC may not be perfect, but it's the most reliable news provider in the UK, and better than anything in the US. Most of my news comes from the BBC, but I still know and believe all of the political content Johnathan Cook outlines here, apart from the attack on the BBC that he started with
Steve, thank you for your response. I too listen to many news sources as part of my job & you mention a self evident truth referencing lack of independent verification. Being the best of a very bad bunch is not good enough for an institution that is instructed by its Charter to be free & fair in its public service remit; so too Channel 4. Who owns & controls MSM plays a vital part in a healthy democracy. Where is the debate; where are the alternative pov? We live in a political monoculture (GB & USA), that is rapidly progressing towards fascism & the elimination of dissent & protest.
I heartily agree, but I feel that the BBC has more potential than any other outlet to be the answer more than it is the problem. Ergo, can you recommend a more reliable source of current affairs news? I have already mention Byline Times, but they don't have much reach.
I suppose if you are comparing to US msm the Beeb looks favourable. As our national broadcaster that we pay for directly, we expect genuine impartiality. We have a historical reference point when the Beeb and indeed Jeremy Bowen was much better re impartiality. I have been grieving over the loss of national broadcaster and only watch it now to judge how much worse it has become. The Beeb has a HUGE and gaping blind spot when it comes to the indiscretions of that country in the middle east.
not sure BBC you have listened to It has not been in the forefront re Gaza horrors has it. It fails in all programs to be balanced some of BBC journalists are so one sided and unbalanced they are shocking.
I agree with the political rhetoric Cook outlines, but I know the BBC has lots of content that is highly critical of Israel. So which bit did I not hear? Some of their presenters are shockingly biased (and one in particular), but Cook and all of the respondents here fail to recommend a more reliable source of current affairs news. What do you think of the Byline Times?
not really sure what you mean steve./. Cook at least is honest and concise in what he says. It is also what I understand re the BBC. I think that Aljazeera is a far better balanced news provider than the BBC could ever be. I guess you wont like that. I would love you to quote fully where BBC and its journalist's / presenters are highly critical of Israel with out conditions pros and cons ect. By the way I listen very closely . That is what I used to in my job for years as a forensic Psychologist,.
Apologies for delayed reply - I have not been online much this week.
Thank you for your considered responses.
I have enormous respect Al Jazeera and have no issue with its reporting. It outflanks most other outlets in many ways. There are many who may disagree.
And therein lies the rub.
Whilst Jonathan Cook lambasts the BBC, I think unfairly, some also feel AJ is biased. Personally, I think they are both trying to be honest and transparent within their own Overton windows. Presenters such as Laura Kuenssberg are blatantly right wing - she needs to go asap, and I hear Nick Robinson's personal politics are somewhat to the right, but he doesn't make it obvious to my ears - and that's what working for the BBC should mean. But there are many many other BBC presenters who are clearly very liberal (UK version), or at least small c conservative in their outlook. Right wing commentators are not wrong to accuse the beeb of some preponderance to leftiness - it's inevitable when much R4 output is from learned people, for learned people.
P.S. small c conservativism is forgiven, please come back.
well In part I might agree with you but each time I putt BBC news all I see 90% of the time is local stuff some important but a lot of trivia . We are faced with probably the biggest genocide by Israel on modern times in the west. With thousand's of Palestinians children shredded by IDF. All you get from BBC is a shallow response an attempt at some sort of balance when there should be out right anger at Israel and its war crimes. Some of MSM does attempt to try show what Israel is doing but most just parrot what Israel tells them that They have a right to defend themselves or that Hams hide amongst population or that they use them as human shields or that they have tunnels under hospitals so that justifies the bombing of hospital's schools and any civilian super structure . It clearly is not a war that BBC and MSM keep trying to say. Its genocide and ethnic cleaning on a massive scale by Israel and we and its mainstream media LBC BBC all stand there seeing it graphically shown daily and make a few comments about how terrible it is ect Then nothing. It seems MSM is not able to shout out to us all about what is really happening and why.
Israel must be held to account its leaders much of the IDF arrested for war crimes . A peace keeping force sent in and Israel be forced to negotiate with proper leaders not genocidal psychopath's .
Today THE BBC talks about ) OcT 7th as if it was a separate event. The break out from a out door prison camp. Of cause there were crimes by Hamas and they must be held to account. But there is increasing evidence that Israel IDF with Helicopter gun ships killed a considerable number of their own in the panic or what is called the Hanniball directive where by any captors are deliberately killed to stop them being used as hostages.
Also perhaps the BBC could have a memorial day for the thousand's of Palestinian's children killed maimed by Israel so called defence. which it is not.
Further why does MSM allow psychopaths and others allowed free air time to spout their lies and nonsense. The so called Israel Ambassador to UK is allowed with hardly any interruption to lie and lie by UK MSM .She should be sent home and never be allowed anywhere near MSM. would one allow a Hitler advocate free air time to spout their lies without hardly any interruption.??
I heard that interview with the Israeli ambassador and was equally enraged - it was practically a fluff piece. I was shouting at JW to interrupt her and ask some actual questions. Talking about a few dozen children, however horribly and despicably murdered, without referencing the thousands and thousands killed indiscriminately by Netanyahu is unforgivable.
I do agree with the premise that the BBC are being exceptionally weak on this, but it isn't the whole of the BBC, and we do need to defend it from those who want it gone - we would be far worse off without it. Labour needs to start replacing all the Tories at the top and get Melanie Dawes out of Ofcom as well.
The BBC is controlled by some of the most rabid Zionists. They are the cheerleaders for the daily slaughter of hundreds of innocent Palestinian, Lebanese and Yemeni civilians. They are complicit in their war crimes.
Sadly the only think that will work is sustained and massive boycotted and protests. Over years. The calculation is well just get amnesia. Starbucks got hammered and had to rid the CEO, lawman, who was just a tool anyway. Don’t let anyone tell you if doesn’t work. But the Arabs are fractured, poor and get no help from the West. The global south has some balls and also suffers from poverty in some places. So this is a very calculated weaponization. They will lose and become isolated —but there is no empathy or long term thought. So use it.
Already China has clearly articulated support for Lebanon. So let’s see if these new hitler midgets start world war. In the meantime ..boycott every brand. And pass it on. Collective responsibility is ours.
It won’t work. Cat is out of the bag. Now always a rogue state. Problem is who is gonna stop them ? How ? Maybe china need to get involved since Americas balls are neatly tucked in their own ass.
That is why, amongst so many,no longer listen to or watch the BBC. Instead of turning against and wringing our hands over how terrible it is, l believe we should start a boycott. Viewership of BBCNews is already down.we should hold it under water like a convicted murderer, until it drowns.
In the US there is no news venue worth reading or listening to since news has become a source of entertainment, in that it tells you what you want to hear.
I will just leave this here!
Thank you. Shared on bbtruth.uk
I tried to share this on Facebook, but it was immediately deleted. I will try again at some point.
02/10. I shared it on FB as a photo + link an hour ago. It’s harder for the algo to pick up that way. So far so good.
Corrupt BBC! Threatened by Israeli agents. Even bribed?
Replying to Steve Osram, so you think that the BBC reporting is true and honest? Does this include the absolute pack of lies they repeated in following the governments lies about Covid19, the "lockdowns" and the so called cure in a needle that was forced upon the general public? Personally, I would not believe it if the BBC said it was going to go dark before morning.
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nBC is just paid off. This is not spectacular news. It’s the way.Ali is a Muslim who had to plug Israel’s democracy. He came to a panel and I had to put up my hand to shut him up. But he gets a kitchen remodeled and maybe a sad wife that might fuck him once a month. That’s what you get. And a vacation to “broaden your horizons”. So much for that stupid theory. But thinking it cannot be changed is also untrue. Vietnam stopped not because of any morality —west never had any. That’s how it was formed. It’s was the hippies and 🪧 protesters.
Dear Jonathan, as you so eloquently pointed out Israel's army is an aggressive occupation force over and above any defensive action. Shouldn't we be referring to the Israeli Occupation Force IOF rather than IDF?
This is one of the most devastating pieces of journalism I have ever listened to. What makes it so devastating is that it confirms my worst fears. That fear is that I can and will absorb this news and feel in my core the revulsion, the horror, and sickening sense that there is nothing that I can do about it. The abyss sees right through me.
I listen to many sources of news including the BBC and I do not hear what you are saying. I hear critical, measured reporting,complaints about the lack of independent verification, deriding Israel for refusing to allow international journalism into Gaza, and frequently calling out the propaganda sent out by Israel, the failure of politicians to act decisively against Israel's military crimes, and freely, fairly, without influence from wealthy owners reporting the truth as best they can. The BBC may not be perfect, but it's the most reliable news provider in the UK, and better than anything in the US. Most of my news comes from the BBC, but I still know and believe all of the political content Johnathan Cook outlines here, apart from the attack on the BBC that he started with
Steve, thank you for your response. I too listen to many news sources as part of my job & you mention a self evident truth referencing lack of independent verification. Being the best of a very bad bunch is not good enough for an institution that is instructed by its Charter to be free & fair in its public service remit; so too Channel 4. Who owns & controls MSM plays a vital part in a healthy democracy. Where is the debate; where are the alternative pov? We live in a political monoculture (GB & USA), that is rapidly progressing towards fascism & the elimination of dissent & protest.
I heartily agree, but I feel that the BBC has more potential than any other outlet to be the answer more than it is the problem. Ergo, can you recommend a more reliable source of current affairs news? I have already mention Byline Times, but they don't have much reach.
I suppose if you are comparing to US msm the Beeb looks favourable. As our national broadcaster that we pay for directly, we expect genuine impartiality. We have a historical reference point when the Beeb and indeed Jeremy Bowen was much better re impartiality. I have been grieving over the loss of national broadcaster and only watch it now to judge how much worse it has become. The Beeb has a HUGE and gaping blind spot when it comes to the indiscretions of that country in the middle east.
not sure BBC you have listened to It has not been in the forefront re Gaza horrors has it. It fails in all programs to be balanced some of BBC journalists are so one sided and unbalanced they are shocking.
There is a difference between hearing & listening; may I suggest that you listen more closely & then it is not so hard to hear.
I agree with the political rhetoric Cook outlines, but I know the BBC has lots of content that is highly critical of Israel. So which bit did I not hear? Some of their presenters are shockingly biased (and one in particular), but Cook and all of the respondents here fail to recommend a more reliable source of current affairs news. What do you think of the Byline Times?
not really sure what you mean steve./. Cook at least is honest and concise in what he says. It is also what I understand re the BBC. I think that Aljazeera is a far better balanced news provider than the BBC could ever be. I guess you wont like that. I would love you to quote fully where BBC and its journalist's / presenters are highly critical of Israel with out conditions pros and cons ect. By the way I listen very closely . That is what I used to in my job for years as a forensic Psychologist,.
Apologies for delayed reply - I have not been online much this week.
Thank you for your considered responses.
I have enormous respect Al Jazeera and have no issue with its reporting. It outflanks most other outlets in many ways. There are many who may disagree.
And therein lies the rub.
Whilst Jonathan Cook lambasts the BBC, I think unfairly, some also feel AJ is biased. Personally, I think they are both trying to be honest and transparent within their own Overton windows. Presenters such as Laura Kuenssberg are blatantly right wing - she needs to go asap, and I hear Nick Robinson's personal politics are somewhat to the right, but he doesn't make it obvious to my ears - and that's what working for the BBC should mean. But there are many many other BBC presenters who are clearly very liberal (UK version), or at least small c conservative in their outlook. Right wing commentators are not wrong to accuse the beeb of some preponderance to leftiness - it's inevitable when much R4 output is from learned people, for learned people.
P.S. small c conservativism is forgiven, please come back.
well In part I might agree with you but each time I putt BBC news all I see 90% of the time is local stuff some important but a lot of trivia . We are faced with probably the biggest genocide by Israel on modern times in the west. With thousand's of Palestinians children shredded by IDF. All you get from BBC is a shallow response an attempt at some sort of balance when there should be out right anger at Israel and its war crimes. Some of MSM does attempt to try show what Israel is doing but most just parrot what Israel tells them that They have a right to defend themselves or that Hams hide amongst population or that they use them as human shields or that they have tunnels under hospitals so that justifies the bombing of hospital's schools and any civilian super structure . It clearly is not a war that BBC and MSM keep trying to say. Its genocide and ethnic cleaning on a massive scale by Israel and we and its mainstream media LBC BBC all stand there seeing it graphically shown daily and make a few comments about how terrible it is ect Then nothing. It seems MSM is not able to shout out to us all about what is really happening and why.
Israel must be held to account its leaders much of the IDF arrested for war crimes . A peace keeping force sent in and Israel be forced to negotiate with proper leaders not genocidal psychopath's .
Today THE BBC talks about ) OcT 7th as if it was a separate event. The break out from a out door prison camp. Of cause there were crimes by Hamas and they must be held to account. But there is increasing evidence that Israel IDF with Helicopter gun ships killed a considerable number of their own in the panic or what is called the Hanniball directive where by any captors are deliberately killed to stop them being used as hostages.
Also perhaps the BBC could have a memorial day for the thousand's of Palestinian's children killed maimed by Israel so called defence. which it is not.
Further why does MSM allow psychopaths and others allowed free air time to spout their lies and nonsense. The so called Israel Ambassador to UK is allowed with hardly any interruption to lie and lie by UK MSM .She should be sent home and never be allowed anywhere near MSM. would one allow a Hitler advocate free air time to spout their lies without hardly any interruption.??
I heard that interview with the Israeli ambassador and was equally enraged - it was practically a fluff piece. I was shouting at JW to interrupt her and ask some actual questions. Talking about a few dozen children, however horribly and despicably murdered, without referencing the thousands and thousands killed indiscriminately by Netanyahu is unforgivable.
I do agree with the premise that the BBC are being exceptionally weak on this, but it isn't the whole of the BBC, and we do need to defend it from those who want it gone - we would be far worse off without it. Labour needs to start replacing all the Tories at the top and get Melanie Dawes out of Ofcom as well.
The BBC is controlled by some of the most rabid Zionists. They are the cheerleaders for the daily slaughter of hundreds of innocent Palestinian, Lebanese and Yemeni civilians. They are complicit in their war crimes.
Thanks again Jonathan.
# Boycott BBC
Boycotts* sorry for typos
Sadly the only think that will work is sustained and massive boycotted and protests. Over years. The calculation is well just get amnesia. Starbucks got hammered and had to rid the CEO, lawman, who was just a tool anyway. Don’t let anyone tell you if doesn’t work. But the Arabs are fractured, poor and get no help from the West. The global south has some balls and also suffers from poverty in some places. So this is a very calculated weaponization. They will lose and become isolated —but there is no empathy or long term thought. So use it.
Already China has clearly articulated support for Lebanon. So let’s see if these new hitler midgets start world war. In the meantime ..boycott every brand. And pass it on. Collective responsibility is ours.
It won’t work. Cat is out of the bag. Now always a rogue state. Problem is who is gonna stop them ? How ? Maybe china need to get involved since Americas balls are neatly tucked in their own ass.
Are you looking for a third world war?
I think you should be addressing your question to Netanyahu.
That is why, amongst so many,no longer listen to or watch the BBC. Instead of turning against and wringing our hands over how terrible it is, l believe we should start a boycott. Viewership of BBCNews is already down.we should hold it under water like a convicted murderer, until it drowns.
In the US there is no news venue worth reading or listening to since news has become a source of entertainment, in that it tells you what you want to hear.
Thanks for the heads up?