The BBC and others keep revisiting Hamas crimes that day, but fail to report on growing evidence that Israel killed its own citizens, often in grotesque fashion
I have question for you sir? I was just watching the grayzone, and they were discussing an article where they were actually called out by name, by a left of center op ed in the nation(which I like half of the time)
Re: their questioning whether or not there actually were sexual assaults by hamas on Oct 7th, there has never been any proof(I think, correct me if I'm wrong) that this happened, and it has always had the ring of the 40 beheaded babies. And it was always an Israel claim, and looks to be a typical attack on Arab/Palestinian men that they are "savages".
Of course if it's true I do not want to take from the victims the space and I don't want to deny anyones claims of assault. But was there ever any actual claims or evidence. Or is this just Oct 7 propaganda?
"The Al-Aqsa Deluge [the name Hamas gave Oct. 7 massacre] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs." Hamas leader Ghazi Hamad, Oct. 24, 2023
“Israel is a country that has no place on our land. We must remove that country because it constitutes a security, military and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nations, and must be finished.” Hamas leader Ghazi Hamad, Oct. 24, 2023
"Children are tools to be used against Israel. We will sacrifice them for the political support of the world." Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, Jan. 17, 2017.
Thanks for replying, and thanks for reminding me of your previous article. I really admire all your articles exposing the lies and hypocrisy of the Israeli state and its supporters. However, I struggle to understand the distinction between saying things like "None of that justifies Hamas’ atrocities, especially the killing and taking hostage of civilians" or "It is clear the group carried out war crimes that day – not least by attacking civilians and taking them as hostages" and condemning Hamas, because they still sound like condemnation to me.
Hamas's objective on October 7th was to kill or capture armed Israelis and capture unarmed ones, There's no evidence at all that they set out to kill unarmed ones, although the unexpected (on their side) interposition of the Nova festival may have upset their plans. As you point out, all the evidence points to most if not all unarmed Israeli civilians being killed by the IOF. So I would argue that Hamas's actions weren't a war crime (obviously, since Gaza is a concentration camp, not a state), nor a crime against humanity, as they were attempting to take hostages in exchange for Palestinians unlawfully held without charge or trial in Israeli prisons. And all the evidence from the released hostages themselves is that they were treated very humanely by their captors (certainly far better than Palestinians in Israeli prisons), to the extent that the IOF seems to have extended the Hannibal Directive to shooting hostages on sight rather than let them recount their experiences to the world. And I still have no idea what other Hamas atrocities you have in mind.
The Western press or MSM have completely sold their souls to the devil and are not worth giving a tinkers cuss about. They are agents of propaganda and government narratives, they have no credibility left. The true journalists like Jonathon, Max Blumenthal, Chris Hedges, Glen Greenwald, Seymour Hersch to name but a few are our last hope to keep reporting the truth and exposing these reprobates parading as journalists.
Noam Chomsky spells it out clearly in his book Necessary Illusions. This strategy is routinely used in all aggression by the U.S. colonial empire. Please read the short article, at the link below for an explanation of the strategy.
The full testimony of Hadas Dagan, the only survivor from Pessi's house, where 14 captives were killed (along with their captors) after a heavy fight between their captors and the IDF:
Thanks for another good article on how most of the Israelis (and Thai slave labourers, who always seem to get overlooked) killed on 10/7 were murdered by the IOF in accordance with its Hannibal Directive.
However, I wish you wouldn't always qualify your articles with phrases like "None of that justifies Hamas’ atrocities, especially the killing and taking hostage of civilians", which just gives credence to the Zionist narrative that Hamas (and by extension all Palestinians who support them, even babies) are subhuman animals who must be exterminated. (Also, what other atrocities besides killing and taking hostage of civilians do you have in mind?)
Maybe you think that by saying "see, I condemn Hamas too", you can get people to listen to your main point, exposing and condemning the crimes of the Zionist regime, which you do very well. But it doesn't work like that - by "condemning Hamas", you've sold the pass to the "complex and nuanced, good and bad on both sides, why can't they just live side by side in peace" brigade, who pretend that by negotiating with 'moderates' within the regime (spoiler alert - there aren't any, they all believe in a Jewish ethnic state from the river to the sea), some sort of Two State Solution will magically emerge.
Craig Murray and Norman Finkelstein understand this. They steadfastly refuse to condemn Hamas, recognising that an occupied people have an absolute right to resist the occupation by any means necessary. They've tried peaceful means - the Intifadas started off as General Strikes until the IOF started shooting protesters at random, the BDS movement is now "illegal" in many US States (although that in itself is illegal and breaches the First Amendment), and the Great March of Return was met by IOF snipers deliberately shooting thousands of protesters in the legs (as well as killing medics who tried to help and reporters who tried to bear witness). After all that, who can blame them for resorting to violence? "It is better to die on our feet than live on our knees".
Thank you for shining a light on the truth. It’s the least than can be done for the families grieving their lost loved ones, be they Israeli or Palestinian. Every one of those lives was worth so much more than to be used for Israeli propaganda.
Prof Richard Dawkins reminds us "Thou shalt not kill" , is actually 'Thou shalt not kill fellow Jews". It's a killing spree sanctified by religion. Jews started it. Palestinians have retaliated.. That much is true. NATO- CIA- US and the NATO MEMBER COUNTRIES are fomenting Israel's " crusade". All this is known. A counter to NATO sponsored media is overdue; only then can BBC be put in its place. Can't it be done? A crowd funding could help; Jonathan Cook and like minded others could be spearheading this Public's Own Word . I suggested hold a People's Court and broadcast it's proceedings.
Because those who need to hide the truth own the main media and use their vast wealth to influence governments, as explained by @davidjsorensen of StopWorldControl.com in "The Mystery of Israel - SOLVED".
I can’t find the words to describe my feelings on Israel’s wanton slaughter of Palestinians as described in the guardian article.
'And with the advent of winter, an already catastrophic situation in which almost all of Gaza’s healthcare has collapsed is quickly worsening.'
The world is witnessing a deliberate callous and cruel extermination of civilians while world leaders who can do something about it refuses to. I cannot imagine not having any sympathy as children die from easily preventable diseases, starvation and thirst. That 2 black people who serve at the UN and represent the country that enslaved their ancestors can cruelly block the ceasefire just because the others didn’t condemn Hamas and letting millions die with unimaginable suffering is beyond my comprehension. Shame on every person who is just watching this happening. And no country that has signed on the Geneva Convention has charged Israel with it even though they have been saying that is what is happening.
Does 'internnational law' and the rules mean that eg slaves and people whose land is invaded aren't allowed to kill or attack their 'owners' or the people who carry guns and live in their houses because the slave owners and occupiers aren't in the army?
Jonathan, brilliant work! to clarify the truth and the facts, and counter-act the lies from the backward, barbaric Israeli narrative and the pre-paid wester media who lied and supressed evidence challenging Israel' s grotesque lies.
People with brains will know the difference between the true facts and the lies.
With deep gratitude and respect
Elsa Collins, Alan Collins and Family from London.
Human Rights Watch have managed to find evidence for 3 killings of Israelis by Hamas on October 7th which they call 'war crimes' ; though it's not a war as Palestine isn't a state-they are not war crimes. JC calls them atrocities. Murder is terrible but atrocities is a loaded word. HRW say the killings violate international humanitarian law- as the law seems to have been underused for the past 75 years when it was Israelis who were known to be killing thousands of civilians more than 3- this seems ridiculously harsh. According to Norm- HRW has to https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/is-human-rights-watch-covering-up 'massage its findings to placate Jewish mega donors and the overlapping elite political establishment. Its modus operandi has been to effect—via factual and legal prestidigitation—a false equivalence between the massive horrors inflicted by Israel in each of its hi-tech “operations” with the comparatively trivial transgressions committed by the Palestinian resistance. '
I have question for you sir? I was just watching the grayzone, and they were discussing an article where they were actually called out by name, by a left of center op ed in the nation(which I like half of the time)
Re: their questioning whether or not there actually were sexual assaults by hamas on Oct 7th, there has never been any proof(I think, correct me if I'm wrong) that this happened, and it has always had the ring of the 40 beheaded babies. And it was always an Israel claim, and looks to be a typical attack on Arab/Palestinian men that they are "savages".
Of course if it's true I do not want to take from the victims the space and I don't want to deny anyones claims of assault. But was there ever any actual claims or evidence. Or is this just Oct 7 propaganda?
"The Al-Aqsa Deluge [the name Hamas gave Oct. 7 massacre] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs." Hamas leader Ghazi Hamad, Oct. 24, 2023
“Israel is a country that has no place on our land. We must remove that country because it constitutes a security, military and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nations, and must be finished.” Hamas leader Ghazi Hamad, Oct. 24, 2023
"Children are tools to be used against Israel. We will sacrifice them for the political support of the world." Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, Jan. 17, 2017.
Thanks for replying, and thanks for reminding me of your previous article. I really admire all your articles exposing the lies and hypocrisy of the Israeli state and its supporters. However, I struggle to understand the distinction between saying things like "None of that justifies Hamas’ atrocities, especially the killing and taking hostage of civilians" or "It is clear the group carried out war crimes that day – not least by attacking civilians and taking them as hostages" and condemning Hamas, because they still sound like condemnation to me.
Hamas's objective on October 7th was to kill or capture armed Israelis and capture unarmed ones, There's no evidence at all that they set out to kill unarmed ones, although the unexpected (on their side) interposition of the Nova festival may have upset their plans. As you point out, all the evidence points to most if not all unarmed Israeli civilians being killed by the IOF. So I would argue that Hamas's actions weren't a war crime (obviously, since Gaza is a concentration camp, not a state), nor a crime against humanity, as they were attempting to take hostages in exchange for Palestinians unlawfully held without charge or trial in Israeli prisons. And all the evidence from the released hostages themselves is that they were treated very humanely by their captors (certainly far better than Palestinians in Israeli prisons), to the extent that the IOF seems to have extended the Hannibal Directive to shooting hostages on sight rather than let them recount their experiences to the world. And I still have no idea what other Hamas atrocities you have in mind.
The Western press or MSM have completely sold their souls to the devil and are not worth giving a tinkers cuss about. They are agents of propaganda and government narratives, they have no credibility left. The true journalists like Jonathon, Max Blumenthal, Chris Hedges, Glen Greenwald, Seymour Hersch to name but a few are our last hope to keep reporting the truth and exposing these reprobates parading as journalists.
Noam Chomsky spells it out clearly in his book Necessary Illusions. This strategy is routinely used in all aggression by the U.S. colonial empire. Please read the short article, at the link below for an explanation of the strategy.
https://tinyurl.com/5y3jj8v2
The full testimony of Hadas Dagan, the only survivor from Pessi's house, where 14 captives were killed (along with their captors) after a heavy fight between their captors and the IDF:
https://www.uncaptured.media/p/fresh-testimony-reveals-how-israel
Thanks for another good article on how most of the Israelis (and Thai slave labourers, who always seem to get overlooked) killed on 10/7 were murdered by the IOF in accordance with its Hannibal Directive.
However, I wish you wouldn't always qualify your articles with phrases like "None of that justifies Hamas’ atrocities, especially the killing and taking hostage of civilians", which just gives credence to the Zionist narrative that Hamas (and by extension all Palestinians who support them, even babies) are subhuman animals who must be exterminated. (Also, what other atrocities besides killing and taking hostage of civilians do you have in mind?)
Maybe you think that by saying "see, I condemn Hamas too", you can get people to listen to your main point, exposing and condemning the crimes of the Zionist regime, which you do very well. But it doesn't work like that - by "condemning Hamas", you've sold the pass to the "complex and nuanced, good and bad on both sides, why can't they just live side by side in peace" brigade, who pretend that by negotiating with 'moderates' within the regime (spoiler alert - there aren't any, they all believe in a Jewish ethnic state from the river to the sea), some sort of Two State Solution will magically emerge.
Craig Murray and Norman Finkelstein understand this. They steadfastly refuse to condemn Hamas, recognising that an occupied people have an absolute right to resist the occupation by any means necessary. They've tried peaceful means - the Intifadas started off as General Strikes until the IOF started shooting protesters at random, the BDS movement is now "illegal" in many US States (although that in itself is illegal and breaches the First Amendment), and the Great March of Return was met by IOF snipers deliberately shooting thousands of protesters in the legs (as well as killing medics who tried to help and reporters who tried to bear witness). After all that, who can blame them for resorting to violence? "It is better to die on our feet than live on our knees".
Thank you for shining a light on the truth. It’s the least than can be done for the families grieving their lost loved ones, be they Israeli or Palestinian. Every one of those lives was worth so much more than to be used for Israeli propaganda.
Prof Richard Dawkins reminds us "Thou shalt not kill" , is actually 'Thou shalt not kill fellow Jews". It's a killing spree sanctified by religion. Jews started it. Palestinians have retaliated.. That much is true. NATO- CIA- US and the NATO MEMBER COUNTRIES are fomenting Israel's " crusade". All this is known. A counter to NATO sponsored media is overdue; only then can BBC be put in its place. Can't it be done? A crowd funding could help; Jonathan Cook and like minded others could be spearheading this Public's Own Word . I suggested hold a People's Court and broadcast it's proceedings.
Because those who need to hide the truth own the main media and use their vast wealth to influence governments, as explained by @davidjsorensen of StopWorldControl.com in "The Mystery of Israel - SOLVED".
I can’t find the words to describe my feelings on Israel’s wanton slaughter of Palestinians as described in the guardian article.
'And with the advent of winter, an already catastrophic situation in which almost all of Gaza’s healthcare has collapsed is quickly worsening.'
The world is witnessing a deliberate callous and cruel extermination of civilians while world leaders who can do something about it refuses to. I cannot imagine not having any sympathy as children die from easily preventable diseases, starvation and thirst. That 2 black people who serve at the UN and represent the country that enslaved their ancestors can cruelly block the ceasefire just because the others didn’t condemn Hamas and letting millions die with unimaginable suffering is beyond my comprehension. Shame on every person who is just watching this happening. And no country that has signed on the Geneva Convention has charged Israel with it even though they have been saying that is what is happening.
Does 'internnational law' and the rules mean that eg slaves and people whose land is invaded aren't allowed to kill or attack their 'owners' or the people who carry guns and live in their houses because the slave owners and occupiers aren't in the army?
Jonathan, brilliant work! to clarify the truth and the facts, and counter-act the lies from the backward, barbaric Israeli narrative and the pre-paid wester media who lied and supressed evidence challenging Israel' s grotesque lies.
People with brains will know the difference between the true facts and the lies.
With deep gratitude and respect
Elsa Collins, Alan Collins and Family from London.
Human Rights Watch have managed to find evidence for 3 killings of Israelis by Hamas on October 7th which they call 'war crimes' ; though it's not a war as Palestine isn't a state-they are not war crimes. JC calls them atrocities. Murder is terrible but atrocities is a loaded word. HRW say the killings violate international humanitarian law- as the law seems to have been underused for the past 75 years when it was Israelis who were known to be killing thousands of civilians more than 3- this seems ridiculously harsh. According to Norm- HRW has to https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/is-human-rights-watch-covering-up 'massage its findings to placate Jewish mega donors and the overlapping elite political establishment. Its modus operandi has been to effect—via factual and legal prestidigitation—a false equivalence between the massive horrors inflicted by Israel in each of its hi-tech “operations” with the comparatively trivial transgressions committed by the Palestinian resistance. '