When Thomas Sowell was ask if you had any advice on how to combat antisemitism his response was simply one word “fail”. It is rather convenient that it is portrayed in pontificated that somehow Israelis, or settlers. If you wanna talk about true inherent historical rights to land, where israel stands and purposes are much larger area. Kingdom of Judah, predates the Quran and Christianity what do you think it’s called Judeo Christian faith? Where is Palestine mentioned in the Quran? Not once not a single time. The Jewish scriptures and in their holy books, their cities, the Royal line of David and so on these things are mentioned often. It is simply archaeological, historical and religious based fact that the Jewish people created a great kingdom several kingdoms actually before the Muslim and Arab nations even had their holy Quran to worship, and anyone had ever thought of something as silly as the Palestinian
people being the ancestral and rightful caretakers and citizens of the land that they claim with not a single shred of evidence . Literally there is no case to be made there. The Jewish people exited there for millennia and fought many wars with many different nations of that area at the time BUT NONE OF THEM CARRIED THE NATIONAL IDENTITY OF PALESTINE. The Palestinian people are refugees most likely from Jordan, who settled in the area that has been contested for so long now. The name Palestine was given to that area where the Roman Emperor, who finally evicted the Israelites from their ancestral home, and they became a nomadic people without a country, for so so so many years. What name did he give it ….:: Palestine. So as far back as ancient room, the name, Palestine has been a deliberate insult to the Jewish people in the Jewish homeland. It is incredibly ironic, that the same historical event that stripped these really people of their home, and replaced the name for their ancestral lens, with a word associated with their ancient enemies the Philistines . In fact history shows many of the greatest empires have tried to wipe the Jewish People from the planet, from their borders and have accomplished only an enduring hatred of the Jewish people. Why? Because they had been given more opportunities, injured less hardship for shorter periods of time throat history, and they were not able to survive in their cultures in their languages. They were not able to adapt they were not able to survive, which arrives as many of the most important positions advising some of the most important people, and they themselves becoming some of the most influential and important peoples in history. From winning prizes to creating the greatest democracy ever to exist in that part of the world with the GDP surpassing many of the major European nations and innovation that put silicon valley to shame. Not to mention likely one of the greatest armies in the world if not the greatest army. You postmodernist Marxist ideologues with your tribalism and stand standpoint theory Don’t have one fucking brain between the lot of you. Millions of people around the world they’re just tossing back-and-forth the same lies. You realize that shit on Western culture like you have a better idea like there are better countries as far as safety, true equality, not equity, human rights, ability to speak your mind without persecution or violence, and the chance to be the best that you can be make a living for your family. Nowhere in the world does that exist but in the west. You self hating cowards, that know nothing of history no nothing of the sacrifices that people made to put you in the position where you can complain about things that you don’t nothing about I would like to see you in this new world with all these monumental revelations about how to live better what would be a more accomplished society because I bet you you would really dislike that world because I don’t think that it would have very much room in it for any of you .
Give your head a shake, and if there’s anything rattling around in there instead of putting the premise all of your arguments behind what legacy news outlets cram down your throat? Why don’t you try a book by Thomas Sowell. Arguably the greatest economist of the 21st century, one of the most preeminent scholars that we have in this age. You probably not heard of him.? Because he searches for truth and facts even if it’s not popular, even if it’s not what people want to hear he has integrity. Possibly if you have the courage to put some real knowledge in those brains and learn to question bad ideas you might find, Some of your own integrity along the way. Good luck good luck.
I read the article in the guardian and I couldn’t believe it was there! As you said Hamas fighters, are an elite very well trained and to died as martyrs, cannot believe the could have done such horribles acts, there is so much brainwashing and hate in Israel.
breaks my heart that seems more distant a two estate solution
My son who is studying International Relations & Politics keeps asking me to cancel my paid The Guardian subscription and I understand why but its coverage of the climate crisis is better than most.
I posted this article on my FB and got this direct message in response from a FB friend:
(addressed me by name, then:
"dear friend, I was reading your post about the allegations of mass rape committed by Hamas and couldn’t figure out how to respond to you rather than to the author of the article. It seems to me that one reason these ghastly allegations about what Hamas did that day gained credibility is because of the videos Hamas posted to social media that day. Also, the videos shot by the IDF that day. Plus interviews with other victims who escaped and recounted witnessing rapes. Plus Israeli doctors who examined released hostages and some who escaped that day and found physical evidence consistent with multiple rapes. I know we come at this from different points, but I keep wondering as I hear the doubts voiced by some about the veracity of the women making the allegations — which seem very credible and evidence-based to me — what evidence would you need to see to really consider whether something unspeakably horrible happened to these women and is perhaps still happening to the female hostages who have not been released?"
How would you folks respond to this?
And is there a more direct instance-by-instance questioning somewhere of each of the claims being made that were reported in the MSM beyond the more general approach taken in this article by Jonathan Cook?
"The biggest problem with these stories isn't just the continuing absence of any meaningful evidence for “systematic” rape; or Israel's long track record of lying to justify state terrorism; or Israel's refusal to cooperate with independent investigators; or the racist, anti-Arab tropes that pass for sophisticated analysis in western circles."
...., and therein lies the hypocricy. Try some anti Israel or anti Jew-ish tropes, and you'll be Corbyned in a New York minute.
I read it, and immediately thought " Timed just after the war crimes hearing" Not coincidental - if this was entirely true, it would have been released well before the end if 2023.
Some facts: Not a single Israeli woman has claimed she was raped. Not a single medical or autopsy report indicates anyone was raped.
So there is not a single documented rape victim. “Believe woman” means believe the women who claim they were raped. Here, there aren’t any. The only rational conclusion is that no one was raped on October 7.
Let’s assume your point that no women were raped. Does that set aside those who are dead at the hands of Hamas? Let us remember that Hamas has, as a tenet in their founding documents, the destruction of another sovereign nation. What can we say to that level of hatred? Are you all right with it? Do you hate in a similar fashion? Must I be careful around you?
I prefer to listen to the testimony of those who were there than one who is thousands of miles away, responding to their personal assumptions. Let’s believe the victims. They may have something to say.
It's hard for dead women to make public statements. As for the living, perhaps they are not ready to share their trauma? How many years did Christine Blasey Ford wait before she came forward? And everyone believed her, despite the lack of any credible evidence.
That’s why I mentioned both autopsy and medical reports. The Israeli government has not produced a single autopsy or medical report showing someone was raped.
So the claim Hamas killed its victims so they couldn’t come forward is false. There aren’t any rape victims, either dead or alive. No rape victims means no rapes.
Here is a list of Jewish political organizations, the leaders of which head the Jewish Lobby so powerful in the USA and EU. There are over 370 organizations listed, with the vast majority in the USA. They are funded to a total of many hundreds of millions of dollars per year, with endowments in the billions.
These propaganda stories are presented in such a way as to viscerally horrify, sicken and traumatise the readers/viewers (especially women in relation to sexual violence) and so more thoroughly play on their emotions and manipulate them (us).
Knowing that it's all lies makes me all the more sickened and disgusted by the people who invented the stories and those who choose to propagate them again and again and again. These journalists, whether they believe the propaganda or not, choose to push this kind of horror porn down our throats time after time, many of them in the full knowledge that they are traumatising and re-traumatising their readership/viewership. It's the main reason I gave up on main steam media years ago.
On which note, Jonathan would it be possible to hide any graphic detail behind a link or or refer people to the original article for it, so people can choose for themselves whether or not to actually read the nastiest stuff? I know we're supposed to be inured to this stuff by repeated exposure but it's not working for me and it's incredibly hard to get these sickening images out of my head once they're in!
I get it... believe the victim unless they are a member of a target group deemed to be oppressors, mostly autonomically having been told so by their influencers. Then just kill then. That is what being an oppressed looks like these days, especially in the safe environs of some Western Nations, still having some modicum of law and order by virtue of the hangover from the Christian principles of the past. (Which just happens to be another oppressor, for unsure reasons.)
It is frightening and appalling that this flagrant lying is so organized and adhered to by those in power in the West. Thank you Mr. Cook for exposing these lies.
When Thomas Sowell was ask if you had any advice on how to combat antisemitism his response was simply one word “fail”. It is rather convenient that it is portrayed in pontificated that somehow Israelis, or settlers. If you wanna talk about true inherent historical rights to land, where israel stands and purposes are much larger area. Kingdom of Judah, predates the Quran and Christianity what do you think it’s called Judeo Christian faith? Where is Palestine mentioned in the Quran? Not once not a single time. The Jewish scriptures and in their holy books, their cities, the Royal line of David and so on these things are mentioned often. It is simply archaeological, historical and religious based fact that the Jewish people created a great kingdom several kingdoms actually before the Muslim and Arab nations even had their holy Quran to worship, and anyone had ever thought of something as silly as the Palestinian
people being the ancestral and rightful caretakers and citizens of the land that they claim with not a single shred of evidence . Literally there is no case to be made there. The Jewish people exited there for millennia and fought many wars with many different nations of that area at the time BUT NONE OF THEM CARRIED THE NATIONAL IDENTITY OF PALESTINE. The Palestinian people are refugees most likely from Jordan, who settled in the area that has been contested for so long now. The name Palestine was given to that area where the Roman Emperor, who finally evicted the Israelites from their ancestral home, and they became a nomadic people without a country, for so so so many years. What name did he give it ….:: Palestine. So as far back as ancient room, the name, Palestine has been a deliberate insult to the Jewish people in the Jewish homeland. It is incredibly ironic, that the same historical event that stripped these really people of their home, and replaced the name for their ancestral lens, with a word associated with their ancient enemies the Philistines . In fact history shows many of the greatest empires have tried to wipe the Jewish People from the planet, from their borders and have accomplished only an enduring hatred of the Jewish people. Why? Because they had been given more opportunities, injured less hardship for shorter periods of time throat history, and they were not able to survive in their cultures in their languages. They were not able to adapt they were not able to survive, which arrives as many of the most important positions advising some of the most important people, and they themselves becoming some of the most influential and important peoples in history. From winning prizes to creating the greatest democracy ever to exist in that part of the world with the GDP surpassing many of the major European nations and innovation that put silicon valley to shame. Not to mention likely one of the greatest armies in the world if not the greatest army. You postmodernist Marxist ideologues with your tribalism and stand standpoint theory Don’t have one fucking brain between the lot of you. Millions of people around the world they’re just tossing back-and-forth the same lies. You realize that shit on Western culture like you have a better idea like there are better countries as far as safety, true equality, not equity, human rights, ability to speak your mind without persecution or violence, and the chance to be the best that you can be make a living for your family. Nowhere in the world does that exist but in the west. You self hating cowards, that know nothing of history no nothing of the sacrifices that people made to put you in the position where you can complain about things that you don’t nothing about I would like to see you in this new world with all these monumental revelations about how to live better what would be a more accomplished society because I bet you you would really dislike that world because I don’t think that it would have very much room in it for any of you .
Give your head a shake, and if there’s anything rattling around in there instead of putting the premise all of your arguments behind what legacy news outlets cram down your throat? Why don’t you try a book by Thomas Sowell. Arguably the greatest economist of the 21st century, one of the most preeminent scholars that we have in this age. You probably not heard of him.? Because he searches for truth and facts even if it’s not popular, even if it’s not what people want to hear he has integrity. Possibly if you have the courage to put some real knowledge in those brains and learn to question bad ideas you might find, Some of your own integrity along the way. Good luck good luck.
I read the article in the guardian and I couldn’t believe it was there! As you said Hamas fighters, are an elite very well trained and to died as martyrs, cannot believe the could have done such horribles acts, there is so much brainwashing and hate in Israel.
breaks my heart that seems more distant a two estate solution
My son who is studying International Relations & Politics keeps asking me to cancel my paid The Guardian subscription and I understand why but its coverage of the climate crisis is better than most.
I posted this article on my FB and got this direct message in response from a FB friend:
(addressed me by name, then:
"dear friend, I was reading your post about the allegations of mass rape committed by Hamas and couldn’t figure out how to respond to you rather than to the author of the article. It seems to me that one reason these ghastly allegations about what Hamas did that day gained credibility is because of the videos Hamas posted to social media that day. Also, the videos shot by the IDF that day. Plus interviews with other victims who escaped and recounted witnessing rapes. Plus Israeli doctors who examined released hostages and some who escaped that day and found physical evidence consistent with multiple rapes. I know we come at this from different points, but I keep wondering as I hear the doubts voiced by some about the veracity of the women making the allegations — which seem very credible and evidence-based to me — what evidence would you need to see to really consider whether something unspeakably horrible happened to these women and is perhaps still happening to the female hostages who have not been released?"
How would you folks respond to this?
And is there a more direct instance-by-instance questioning somewhere of each of the claims being made that were reported in the MSM beyond the more general approach taken in this article by Jonathan Cook?
And, as I found out a few weeks ago, it you dare to call them out on these lies you will be banned from their comment threads.
"The biggest problem with these stories isn't just the continuing absence of any meaningful evidence for “systematic” rape; or Israel's long track record of lying to justify state terrorism; or Israel's refusal to cooperate with independent investigators; or the racist, anti-Arab tropes that pass for sophisticated analysis in western circles."
...., and therein lies the hypocricy. Try some anti Israel or anti Jew-ish tropes, and you'll be Corbyned in a New York minute.
Agree.
And how silent thd media is about the child rape stories from the West Bank by the IDF
There is a low circle in hell for you, you vicious antisemitic bastard. Go back under the rock you crawled out from.
Yawn.
The reporting in MSM dreadful, but, at least, something gets through. BUT - a self-professed philosopher of reason?????? - Jürgen Habermas - https://www.resetdoc.org/story/habermas-israel-principle-solidariety/
I read it, and immediately thought " Timed just after the war crimes hearing" Not coincidental - if this was entirely true, it would have been released well before the end if 2023.
Some facts: Not a single Israeli woman has claimed she was raped. Not a single medical or autopsy report indicates anyone was raped.
So there is not a single documented rape victim. “Believe woman” means believe the women who claim they were raped. Here, there aren’t any. The only rational conclusion is that no one was raped on October 7.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-hamas-sexual-violence-1.7050237
Name the rape victim in that BBC report.
It’s a trick question because there aren’t any.
By the way, rape victims are seldom named to protect their privacy. Do you want to change that part too?
Not a single Israeli woman has claimed to have been raped, even anonymously. 🤔
Let’s assume your point that no women were raped. Does that set aside those who are dead at the hands of Hamas? Let us remember that Hamas has, as a tenet in their founding documents, the destruction of another sovereign nation. What can we say to that level of hatred? Are you all right with it? Do you hate in a similar fashion? Must I be careful around you?
I prefer to listen to the testimony of those who were there than one who is thousands of miles away, responding to their personal assumptions. Let’s believe the victims. They may have something to say.
There are no victims. That’s my point. Not one.
https://time.com/6565186/october-7-hamas-attack-footage-film/
https://time.com/6565186/october-7-hamas-attack-footage-film/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/hamas-rape-israeli-women-oct-7-rcna128221
It's hard for dead women to make public statements. As for the living, perhaps they are not ready to share their trauma? How many years did Christine Blasey Ford wait before she came forward? And everyone believed her, despite the lack of any credible evidence.
That’s why I mentioned both autopsy and medical reports. The Israeli government has not produced a single autopsy or medical report showing someone was raped.
So the claim Hamas killed its victims so they couldn’t come forward is false. There aren’t any rape victims, either dead or alive. No rape victims means no rapes.
Here is a list of Jewish political organizations, the leaders of which head the Jewish Lobby so powerful in the USA and EU. There are over 370 organizations listed, with the vast majority in the USA. They are funded to a total of many hundreds of millions of dollars per year, with endowments in the billions.
https://articlebiz.com/article/1052218096-the-jewish-lobby
These propaganda stories are presented in such a way as to viscerally horrify, sicken and traumatise the readers/viewers (especially women in relation to sexual violence) and so more thoroughly play on their emotions and manipulate them (us).
Knowing that it's all lies makes me all the more sickened and disgusted by the people who invented the stories and those who choose to propagate them again and again and again. These journalists, whether they believe the propaganda or not, choose to push this kind of horror porn down our throats time after time, many of them in the full knowledge that they are traumatising and re-traumatising their readership/viewership. It's the main reason I gave up on main steam media years ago.
On which note, Jonathan would it be possible to hide any graphic detail behind a link or or refer people to the original article for it, so people can choose for themselves whether or not to actually read the nastiest stuff? I know we're supposed to be inured to this stuff by repeated exposure but it's not working for me and it's incredibly hard to get these sickening images out of my head once they're in!
I get it... believe the victim unless they are a member of a target group deemed to be oppressors, mostly autonomically having been told so by their influencers. Then just kill then. That is what being an oppressed looks like these days, especially in the safe environs of some Western Nations, still having some modicum of law and order by virtue of the hangover from the Christian principles of the past. (Which just happens to be another oppressor, for unsure reasons.)
It is frightening and appalling that this flagrant lying is so organized and adhered to by those in power in the West. Thank you Mr. Cook for exposing these lies.